OMG.

[badseed1980]

OMG.
OMG.
OMG.

I think I'm gonna cry.

http://www.erisapparel.com

WANT.

Pity it's so pricey and the selection is still so small. But...ooooooh. I need there to be more of this stuff. I really, really do.

Comments

[miss-lisa-ma.livejournal.com]

I have an old friend with the same problem. From the neck up, we could almost be sisters. Below the neck, she's a size 2 or 4 petite...except for the 34DDs. (Of course, she paid for every spring break in Florida by winning wet teeshirt contests, back in the day...)

Amen from the choir. There SO need to be better sizing options for real women. Heaven help you if you have boobs...or hips...or even shoulders...

[tisana.livejournal.com]

Gah. The shoulders. I don't think I'm all that built or broad in the shoulders, but the fashion industry evidently does.

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

It's not as much a problem for me because although I do have biggish shoulders, the tits are more out of line with the rest of fashion...anything that fits them, fits my shoulders.

[disownedheidi.livejournal.com]

I bookmarked the page. Yeah, I've gained weight, but they still carry my size, which is awesome, because plus-sized clothes don't fit because they are made for plus-sized women with small boobs!!!


Have you looked at www.bravissimo.com?

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Heh...my size is one of the blank spaces on their sizing chart.

uhm...

[erik-j-meyer.livejournal.com]

They named their clothing line after the Goddess of Discord? That almost seems to be asking for it.

Re: uhm...

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Considering how out of whack it is from the sizing in the rest of the fashion world, it seems to fit. :)

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

I deleted my comment as it was OT. Basically...thank you for directing me to a community a while back and I took your advice.

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Oh, sorry, I hadn't gotten a chance to respond to it.

Sorry you didn't like the list. You DO have to be somewhat thick-skinned to get along there, especially for new people who come in and post without really paying much attention to how things are on the list first. Those tend to be the people who get shot down. Particularly when they make assumptions about things they don't know about. But in all honesty, I can say that I have learned more there than from any other internet resource for Paganism of any kind.

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

I can be think skinned...but do you know there is a LJ community that exists solely for some of the seekers on the list to post a question and then they all look at it and talk about how to phrase it *or if it should be asked at all* so that they don't get ripped apart?

I watched a thread on the list discuss if you should be respectful to seekers. Many opinions were...no, you don't. Should you be compassionate? No, you shouldn't.

I have seen more than once now...a seeker's question be derailed because they didn't like the term used as it the wrong way to look at and understand something. Ok. The seeker did the whole correct the term thing, asked again, and go the info. So far...cool. The very next day, the person who objected so forcefully to the term used the exact same one in the same context and it was OK. Meanwhile...I'm watching it all unfold on the LJ community and you have seekers who are more confused than ever but won't ask the question. They don't want to ruin thier chance at getting into a coven.

I don't fault the list for what the seekers have going on in their heads ... but for a list that was created to answer sincere seeker questions...the atmosphere is a bit, rough? discouraging?

I have a question for you...is that used as a screening process? I did read a few times that if you want to be BTW...it is a calling so strong that people being rough on you won't discourage you and you will find a way no matter what and if you don't then you weren't called to be BTW.

I know I'm not called to be BTW, so there may be things that I am missing that are necessary and in place for a reason.

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Well, I'll say this: the group I'm with is wonderful. Like family to me. The BTW people I know outside my own group in real life are also wonderful. They're not evil people. They aren't mean. But I know that if I said or did something stupid, they'd let me know that. I feel good about that.

I think that the general opinion is that seekers should not be made to feel like they are in "safe space" inasmuch as they are not in a place where they will be made to feel "ok" or where nothing they do can be wrong. Seekers should not be hand-held. They should not expect that people will be nice to them BECAUSE they are seekers. Common courtesy is one thing, but gentle coddling is another.

I think that A&J expects a lot of seekers. They expect them to think before they talk, to pay attention to what's going on on the list, to behave like adults, to take criticism well. I think that expecting that of someone is a good thing. It shows that they EXPECT seekers to be able to do this. That shows a rather high opinion of sincere seekers, IMO.

What is this community of which you speak?

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

*grin* I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. It's an invite only community...and I pinkie swore I wouldn't name it. However...I'm pretty sure the list mods know about it. How could they not?

I get your explaination about expectations and such and it is very reasonable and makes sense. I just don't see it in action. I'm not in the camp of coddling, but I do think there are ways to be respectful of the individual without tolerating crap and sloppiness.

I have heard countless times how close members of BTW are. That it really is like a family, only better. And I think that is so wonderful and admirable. I have never and would never think that BTW are evil.

And I have enjoyed *my* interactions with the list - very interesting. I have enjoyed reading when iniated members interact with one another. I have not enjoyed when they interact with a seeker, for the most part. I am trying to remember that I am looking at this from the VERY outside in and that I am a guest in their home and they have been gracious in allowing me to join what is a private group with a very specific purpose. I don't want to act like I'm not grateful. I am.

It's just...I guess I see them have expectations of others behavior that they aren't willing to model themselves. There is a defined line, if you are on one side there is a warmth and acceptance level that is beautiful to see - yet there is such a contrast to those who are on the other side of the line. The one makes the other so glaring.

That's horribly judgemental of me...and none of my business. But you have been very kind to indulge my questions and help me out and I do appreciate it. So I'll stop pestering you. *grin* I just know when I help someone out, I enjoy an update on how it went. Otherwise I wonder...did so-and-so do X? How's that going?

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

Crap..I forgot to add..you are a Middle Eastern Dancer? I used to teach it before my work travel put an end to that.

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've been studying belly dance (American Caberet style) for a few years now. :) Just had a recital on Saturday...I did a karsilima for my solo, and also pestered the instructor into having my class do a karsh as a group number! (I love me some karsh, even if I really prefer sequiny, sparkly costumes to the more folkloric outfits).

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

I know Caberet....and I teach it since most students want to learn that...but I LOVED the older styles of dance from all over.

I still do trance dance. especially with timing breathing and a forward chest roll up with a sharp drop down to neutral on the beat.

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

and here is a pic from last year. outdoor venue, I used a cheap costume that I made as I don't wear my nice ones outdoors.

http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/SnowCalla/?action=view¤t=DC2006015.jpg

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Very nice! Love the top!

[badseed1980.livejournal.com]

Maybe part of the answer is...meet some in person. Online, in a forum where there can be a lot of stuff to test one's patience, a lot of people don't have much patience left to give. In person, you get to see more of the person than their (sometimes badly-put or even downright insulting) questions, and it's easier to treat them as a whole person as a result, instead of reacting only to their words.

[snowcalla.livejournal.com]

good point...excellent point. and tone is so hard to judge on-line. Thank you!