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From the UK College of Arms' newsletter:
Illustrated left are the Armorial Bearings granted to Sir Terence David John PRATCHETT of Broad Chalke, Wiltshire, Knight, OBE by Letters Patent of Garter and Clarenceux Kings of Arms dated 28 April 2010.

The Arms are blazoned: Sable an ankh between four Roundels in saltire each issuing Argent.

The Crest is Upon a Helm with a Wreath Argent and Sable On Water Barry wavy Sable Argent and Sable an Owl affronty wings displayed and inverted Or supporting thereby two closed Books erect Gules.




And in case the motto isn't clear, it reads "Noli timere messorem."

Date: 2010-11-09 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
YES, THAT IS A GOOD MOTTO - WHY SHOULD ONE?

Date: 2010-11-09 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
And I love the ankh and the morpork!

Date: 2010-11-09 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
The owl. In the books, a morpork is an owl. And just now, Google just told me that there's an actual owl native to New Zealand called the morepork.

Date: 2010-11-09 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Ah, the Southern Boobook (Ninox novaeseelandiae)

Date: 2010-11-09 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evaelisabeth.livejournal.com
Isn't that cool :-)

Date: 2010-11-09 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
Most absolutely badass coat of arms in history, I imagine.

Date: 2010-11-09 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Aaaack - for a private citizen it costs over 4k pounds for a grant of arms - and for an American, one only need show a descent from a Crown subject, which would mean showing my lineage back before the revolution.

Too costly, I think.

Date: 2010-11-09 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
Yeah. You can design your own unofficial coat of arms for free!

Date: 2010-11-09 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Yes, but there's a difference (pun intended) - making your own could mean you are taking someone else's as you don't have access to the research to prevent you from copying one accidentally.

Date: 2010-11-09 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
True, but I suspect that if you got REALLY creative, and had a sense of humor, it could be so unlikely as to be impossible.

Date: 2010-11-09 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
To me, outside of an SCA thing, it seems about as serious as Lady Pixie Moondrip.

And even the SCA requires major research within their own heraldric archives when granting arms.

Maybe I'll consider it a retirement gift to myself, down the line.

Date: 2010-11-09 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
I wasn't really thinking seriously. I was just thinking in terms of something fun, like when someone created a coat of arms for the Ankh-Morpork Knitters' Guild on Ravelry. Then again, I don't have much personal interest in actual heraldry, outside of nifty tidbits like the one I posted about.

Date: 2010-11-09 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
For me, it partly trying to get back something my family used to have (possibly): IFF, we are descended from the Pershall Baronet of Horsely Hall, Staffordshire, the family would be armigerous.

We cannot prove that descent on the pond jump.

However, we can trace back to our first ancestor on this shore, and i would love to reclaim even a portion of the possible family arms, to have and pass on to my children.

And, for those interested:
argent, a cross fleury sable; on a canton gules, a wolfhound's head proper, in teeth a marigold or

the crest is harder to describe, as I don't know how to describe the rolled up circlet of three colors on which it rested, but it was a wolfhound's head proper, in teeth a marigold or.

Date: 2010-11-09 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
OK, that's pretty cool! I guess my lack of personal interest is because I come from Canuck peasant stock and Armenian rug merchants, primarily, and have zero clue about what my English ancestors were like, so I don't think there are any arms in my history at all.

Date: 2010-11-09 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
well, the genealogists a few decades back argued we definitely came from that baronetcy, but some recent researchers have said "we can't prove it".

I am who I am, not because of being able to trace back to the 1600's, I know that.

But i like knowing I can, for me.
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Date: 2010-11-10 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badseed1980.livejournal.com
That's pretty awesome. :)

Date: 2010-11-10 09:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evaelisabeth.livejournal.com
Join the SCA and get it for a minor processing fee ;-)

Date: 2010-11-10 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
No interest in LARPing.

Date: 2010-11-10 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evaelisabeth.livejournal.com
The SCA is not a LARP it's technically a Historical Hobbyist Group, in other words people who are interested in history and like to hang out with other people who are interested in history. Of course that doesn't account for those of a fighting persuasion but that's another story. LARPs are a whole other kettle of fish.

Date: 2010-11-10 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
According to what I have read about it, most of the people in the SCA are taking on roles and recreating the Middle Ages as they wish they would have been.

In many things i have read about the SCA, it reminds people - it's a game.

To an outsider - taking on a role, and playing a game, without dice and books and character sheets, is LARPing.

Just because the SCA looks down it's collective nose at LARPers (in true geek hierarchical fashion), doesn't make it any less of a live action role playing game.

Mind you, I consider Civil War re-enactors LARPers, too.

Date: 2010-11-10 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evaelisabeth.livejournal.com
:-) You see for me part of the game and the fun is recreating crafts and figuring out how people did things, I have friends who do some amazing research into Fatimid Culture, who build warp weighted looms from scratch and do the most excuisit caligraphy. There is a game aspect to the SCA but you would be doing it a disservice to dismiss it out of hand because of that. But then it's something I really enjoy myself. I suspect you might also enjoy the heavy fighting which can be amazingly exciting to watch and I assume participate in.

Date: 2010-11-10 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
My point in mentioning not wanting to LARP regarding arms is that my family actually had a grant of arms in the past, not from a historical reenactment group, but from an actual monarch - at some point, I'd like to similarly hold arms in my own right.

I won't/can't be knighted like Sir Terry, but I can hold arms.

Date: 2011-07-15 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ianphanes.livejournal.com
I just happened on this old thread.

There is a common misunderstanding among USers that *families* had grants of arms. More accurately, one individual family holds the grant of arms at any time, and they are inherited like titles and real property. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms#Traditions_and_usage (I believe that, like titles, not all arms are hereditary.) However, unless you are the current arms holder, it is not appropriate to use those arms. (Even the members of the British Royal Family have to be granted their own arms, though they are usually a differenced version of the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_the_United_Kingdom#Royal_Family)

It's kinda like real property. Unless it's your house, you're legally a guest even if you are related--no matter how long it's been in the family.

Make sense?

Date: 2011-07-15 07:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-09 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigira.livejournal.com
Oh, so cool! :-D

Date: 2010-11-09 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
I'd love to see the Herald's explanation of the design motif.

Date: 2010-11-09 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dee-cee.livejournal.com
That's WAY badasser than my family's crest! :)

Date: 2010-11-09 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mama-hogswatch.livejournal.com
Well, I DID cry...

Don't fear the reaper, indeed. That's too wonderful for words.

Date: 2010-11-09 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shakti-lemaris.livejournal.com
That's so cool! Thanks for sharing.

Date: 2010-11-09 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vieux-yeux.livejournal.com
That's pretty effing awesome!

Date: 2010-11-10 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] she-of-emeralds.livejournal.com
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cool! Thanks! Can you translate the Latin, or does it actually mean what I want it to ("Don't Mess With Me")?

Date: 2010-11-10 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] satyrgrl.livejournal.com
"Don't fear the reaper"
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